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Meet Intel’s Core i7-3820 (Part 2)

1/19/2013 9:18:58 AM

Core i7-2600K

§  CPU: $319

§  Cooler: $30

§  Radeon HD 7970: $550

§  16GB RAM DDR3/1600 (4x4GB): $94

§  Midrange Motherboard: $179

§  2TB HDD: $200

§  128GB SSD: $175

§  Blu-ray Combo ODD: $60

§  850-Watt PSU: $134

§  OS: $139

§  Total: $1,880

 Intel Core i7-2600K

 Intel Core i7-2600K

Core i7-3820

§  CPU: $300

§  Cooler: $30

§  Radeon HD 7970: $550

§  16GB RAM DDR3/1600 (4x4GB): $94

§  Midrange Motherboard: $329

§  2TB HDD: $200

§  128GB SSD: $175

§  Blu-ray Combo ODD: $60

§  850-Watt PSU: $134

§  OS: $139

§  Total: $2,011

 Intel Core i7 3820

 Intel Core i7 3820

Which is cheaper? We configured two nearly identical machines with Sandy Bridge and Sandy Bridge-E chips to see how much of a premium you pay to ride the Sandy Bridge-E train.

It’s not just strictly about prices. The Core i7-3820 gives you capabilities that Core i7-2600K can’t touch. The most notable is the availabilities of twice as many DIMMs. This gives you flexibility in how you configure your system’s RAM. The quad-channel RAM also gives you roughly twice the memory bandwidth. Core i7-3820 has a leg up with its PCIe 3.0 support, too. PCIe 3.0 essentially doubles the bandwidth in PCIe 3.0 devices. Most people including us are inclined to pooh-pooh the value of doubling the PCIe bandwidth, since few devices actually swamp PCIe 2.0, but apparently it helps. AMD, for example, has said that simply switching a board from PCIe 2.0 to PCIe 3.0 boost performance from 5 to 10 percent on its Radeon HD 7970 cards. LGA1155 boards will get their own PCIe 3.0 upgrade, but that won’t come about until Ivy Bridge is available and will require buying a new CPU, since the PCIe is controlled from the CPU on Sandy Bridge and Sandy Bridge-E.

The overview on overclocking

For overclockers, Intel is taking an odd track with the Sandy Bridge-E chips. Its two hexa-core chips are classified as K and X parts, respectively, which means they’re fully unlocked chips that let you change Turbo Boost or clock multipliers at will. The new Core i7-3820 carries no such designation, but Intel says the chip is “partially unlocked”. Similar to standard Sandy Bridge chips, it features limited overclocking, using Turbo Boost of up to four bins on all cores. That lets you take the chip to 4GHz. To get further, you’ll have to rely on new block ratios of 125, 166 and 250. Overclocking won’t be quite as straightforward or easy as on a Core i7-2600K, which can be pushed beyond 4GHz without blinking, but at least it’s possible.

Making the big decision

What we would pick depends very much on what we want to do with our system today and tomorrow. A box on LGA1155 definitely gives you a cost advantage that can be used to put in a bigger GPU or fatter storage. LGA1155 also lets you scale up from sub-$100 Celerons to the cheap-and-fast $200 Core i5-2500K and then on to a Core i7-2700K. LGA1155 also isn’t a dead-end, with chips for it using the new 22nm Ivy Bridge on tap for this spring or summer. Where LGA2011 takes over is in the higher-end enthusiast segment. Folks who want and need the ability to run six cores will want LGA2011. It’s also the better platform for anyone who need a ton of PCIe 3.0 lanes to feed fast RAID arrays and GPUs. LGA2011 is also the better option for anyone who actually needs a ton of RAM. How does Core i7-3820 fit in the picture? It lets you build into a box that will take you higher up on the power curve than an LGA1155 system will take you.

Next-gen Intel chip to feature 3D transistors

If you’re really to jump aboard LGA2011 with a new Core i7-3820, Intel’s upcoming Ivy Bridge CPUs might give you a bit of pause.

Ivy Bridge chips will be the first CPUs based on Intel’s new 22nm process using tri-gate transistors, which are literally limit and control the flow of electricity in a CPU are built in a two-dimensional fashion with the flow looking very much like a thin river with a gate laid across it to control the current. With tri-gate architecture, the “river” builds straight up like a fin. Instead of the electricity running on only one plane, it now runs on both the sides and the top of that fin. This increases the surface area, and theoretically enhances the control of leakage and permits more flow through the 3D gate. Ivy Bridge chips could offer far more performance while using far less power. That’s a more compelling message for mobile users, but desktop users should benefit from enhanced microarchitecture, too. Intel is also promising to seriously pump up the graphics core in Ivy Bridge and to add PCIe 3.0 Ivy Bridge chips will be drop-in compatible with existing LGA1155 boards and also pair nicely with boards using the new Z77 chipset, which finally brings USB 3.0 to the table.

LGA2011 users aren’t entirely left out: A version of Ivy Bridge for that socket will come later this year, as well, and will be dubbed Ivy Bridge-E.

The tri-gate, “3D” transistor on the right offers more surface area and better control of leakage and power management than the standard flat, planar transistor on the left.

The tri-gate, “3D” transistor on the right offers more surface area and better control of leakage and power management than the standard flat, planar transistor on the left.

Do-over for AMD FX

New Microsoft patch corrects scheduler issues and speeds up AMD’s Bulldozer

Instead of bulldozing over Intel’s CPUs, AMD’s FX seemingly plodded along about as fast as its code-name next to an Indy car. OK, Bulldozer chips haven’t been that slow, bot by a ,ong shot, but the reception the CPU has been from the press and AMD customers makes it seem that way.

There was always one caveat with Bulldozer benchmarks that made us wonder if the OS was partially to blame for the chip’s performance: Before samples of the chip ever hit the streets, AMD officials warned that Windows 7’s scheduler wasn’t optimized for AMD’s new and unique dual-core modules.

AMD, in fact, has long said that it would take Windows 8 for the full performance of Bulldozer to be realized. Until then, there is at least some relief for the beleaguered chip. Microsoft recently released two patches designed to address the scheduler issue. The problem appears to stem from how Windows 7 deals with the core “parking” in FX chips. Core parking essentially puts unused cores to sleep to save power, but the Windows 7 scheduler was apparently putting cores to sleep that it could have assigned workloads to. Even worse, the Windows 7 scheduler would then wake up the cores it didn’t use, which can cause performance to take a hit.

The additional performance from the two patches won’t be as good as running Windows 8, AMD says, but it’s still free. For the record, AMD says its testing has shown a 10 percent bump in Bulldozer performance in Windows 8 when compared to the same benchmarks in Windows 7. Applying the patches to Windows 7 gets you a roughly 1-2 percent increase over the pre-patched Windows 7, the company says.

Processor (AMD FX-8150 Black Edition)

Processor (AMD FX-8150 Black Edition)

The first patch, support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594, prevents Windows 7 from shutting down used cores prematurely and parking them when are threads to be assigned. AMD says this helps reduce a performance penalty that comes from parking and unparking cores.

The second patch, support.microsoft.com/kb/2646060, updates the Windows 7 scheduler to be aware of all the modules used in the chip and will throw the first four threads at each of the four separate modules instead of loading two modules (four cores) with the four threads. Remember that Bulldozer’s modules are made up of two cores that share resources. When a core is working on but one thread, it’s being the most efficient. If you have two dual-core modules, for four cores, it would be the most efficient if two threads each ran on separate modules rather both threads running on one module’s two cores.

Oddly, we thought that Bulldozer might actually see more performance by placing more work on the same module, shutting down the other modules and then boosting the cores’ clock speed, but apparently the best way to load them is to spread the work out among all the modules.

Be that as it may, we decided to retest the same FX-8150 chip that we tested in our Holiday 2011 issue. In addition to installing the two patches, we also updated the BIOS on the Asus Crosshair V Formula board. We then re-ran all of the previous benchmarks. Does the Bulldozer patch pump up the benchmark results? Well, if AMD is already saying its internal test show just a 1-2 percent bump, we’re not expecting to be blown away.

The final word on Bulldozer’s performance may not actually be written until Windows 8 is released.

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